Limits of Analysis

 

Limits of Analysis

 

NJ starts this thread with:


It seems that when most individuals begin getting a little esoteric understanding they try to "fill every vacuum" with their opinions. Ann called it a "phase" in my case and I certainly went through it. It could also be called 'smartassedmanship." They try to analyze, respond to and correct every mistake or error they perceive others are making--whether they are asked to or not. An old Taoist saying goes, "he who knows is silent." That knowing silence that allows others to learn from their expressions comes through a slow evolutionary process. Egg on the face! Learning to resist every pull of the vacuum is one of the very subtle lessons this group teaches and some have not yet learned it and none, I think, perfectly. Some vacuums we need to respond to but that is a matter of discrimination-- a lovely trial and error situation--like Life. In this post I respond to the vacuum! NJ.

To which I responded:

The psychological dynamic of vacuums is fascinating. Is there really a vacuum, or is a vacuum merely the "perception" that results from un-met expectations (or even perhaps our "attachment" to having some "form" be present to our 5 senses)?


Perhaps it's not the vacuum that draws us in, but an "object of interest" which catches our "attention" and generates a "sense of lack" (desire). 


So, does Vacuum = Desire?

Or here's another associative list for Vacuum: The Dark Void, Nothing, No-thing.

JC


To which NJ responded:


The vacuum we perceive that we respond to is a lack of equilibrium in actions or understanding in another. We literally leap on the unbalance of injustice! Our response is Life responding to Life--one part to another--trying to restore equilibrium, secret of the Great work. Our response may be inadequate but we still respond--some with commands, some with advice, some with principles, and the wisest of all--with silence. Go figure that. There is an old Qabalistic saying, "Nature abhors a vacuum." It pulls in responses to fill it wherever it can--just the average, friendly, neighborhood, evolutionary process. NJ


To which I again responded:
 
I can see your point. A perception of a "vacuum" causes a perception of Imbalance, and thus stimulates a desire to restore equilibrium (Justice).


But what is equilibrium as it affects one's desire to restore it? Is it not one's highest understanding of "What Should BE?"


So once again we are faced with the tension between "what I perceive the situation AS", and "what I desire the situation to BE". The farther apart I perceive these two things to be, the greater the vacuum, and thus the greater the pull on my psyche.


So I can postulate several situations dependent upon my true discernment of WHAT IS and WHAT SHOULD BE (which in reality already is WHAT IS, since at it's deepest level WHAT IS = WHAT SHOULD BE).

bullet WHAT IS  = one's highest perception of Truth as they understand it.
bullet WHAT SHOULD BE   = one's highest perception of Desire as they feel it.


At some point one has to REALIZE that "WHAT IS" and "WHAT SHOULD BE" are always in perfect dynamic equilibrium. 

Ultimate Truth and Ultimate Desire are ONE. 


So the Vacuum is in reality God's promise that: "I recognize the Manifestation of the Undeviating Justice in all the Circumstances of my Life"

JC
Vacuum Packed for Freshness.

S.E., then chimes in and disagrees with NJ's position on "silence":

Hmm... I am beginning to see that this Silence you speak of is not necessarily wise in regards to the dealings of Human Personality. I mean, the Silence that is spoken of in magical orders, is a Silence of KNOWING and truly UNDERSTANDING the ONE LIFE. But, this does not occur at OUR level of human personality and interaction. WE need to express ourselves and to explore the dynamics of human interaction. It is through such interaction that we learn and grow. It is through such interaction that we can come to understand our own flaws and weaknesses, as well as, our strengths and skills. It is really a beautiful process and one that should be applied.

Sitting in silence, pretending we have the answers to the Truth seems to me to be the greatest lie of all. It serves no purpose and allows those that know nothing to propagate false masks and artificial facades that hide what is really there.

It is such silence that NEEDS to be opened and explored. Fear not the Truth.

TO which I briefly add:



I agree S.E.!
Or as Ben Franklin was once quoted as saying: "Fart Proudly"
JC

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Love and Truth


I start a new thread on the role of Analysis with:


It seems that there are (at least) two approaches to this issue of TRUTH.

One seeks it via the path of the Emperor - cutting away that which is false, in accordance with one's highest understanding of truth (relative truth, or evolving personal truth). This path is most often experienced via the path of Justice - discriminating action. This is a path of Verification of Truth and of incorporating that Truth into one's physical organism. This method, however is limited by one's highest understanding (discrimination) of truth. So how does one deepen their understanding of Truth?

One can deeper their understanding of truth via the intuitive path: This path seeks truth via the path of the Hierophant (or Star K17). It seeks truth by allowing it to be experienced and revealed from a level higher than the personal intellect. It is a method which requires the quieting of one's own personal truth and personal desires in order that one may be able to truly listen to the inner teacher - to the inner Self expressing through oneself or through "another" which one is trying to understand. In this regard, it is infinitely more important to "connect" with the other person than to "correct" them. Once the good-will has been established, (often only) then can one be open to an understanding of the underlying truth.  This revelation is in direct proportion to their ability to be "Receptive" to allow themselves to experience the SELF through the mask of the "other".

In other words the only TRUTH that matters is in seeking and seeing the Face of the Beloved behind the Mask. This mask cannot be torn off via the intellect, for Isis cannot be unveiled. She reveals herself to those who have prepared themselves accordingly.

Or to put it tersely:
One must first be able to say "I Understand", before they say "I agree" or "I disagree". Otherwise you're in bondage.  And since all understanding is based on LOVE, we must learn to see with the eyes of love before we can truly see at all. Of course this can open up a whole discussion about just what LOVE is. 

Are LOVE and TRUTH the same?

JC

I further follow up with this post to S.E. who likes to ask alot of
questions:

 

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S.E.,
I've been lurking in on some of your responses of late, and I have a question for you:

BACKGROUND:
I've observed that you often ask a lot of questions about details, and about asking the other respondent to break down their response into finer details, (which often can lead to MORE questions, etc..).


Questions can aid Analysis by directing one's attention, but can TRUTH be found via dissection?


The questions will never end because Analysis (K13) is separative, breaking down form after form into its ever smaller parts (ad-infinitim). Analysis is preparative, but by itself cannot reveal truth.


Until we arrive at fundamental principles involved with our subject we have not yet discovered its Root Universal properties. We have not yet discovered its true component parts.


In other words, Analysis can help us burn our copper, but it cannot turn it white. A true test of one's comprehension and understanding of truth is their ability to not only Analyze but to discover the "Universal" within the form. This is the inductive (intuitive) leap. This is burning one's copper and turning it white. It is also discovering the Face of the Beloved behind the mask.


Truth is discovered via the inductive leap. The inductive leap itself is Intuitive. Reason/Analysis prepares the launch pad, but the leap itself comes from a higher level than Reason.


The next step is to then take up the pieces and synthesize (K17) them into an integrated whole which is in greater harmony with what IS. (turn it red and make visible coin). (BTW in science, this step is also known as "formulating the hypothesis", which then in turn must be subjected to testing)

Question's :
If "Synthesis" is the other half of our mission (as humans), how is this reflected in our interactions with others? What and how are we creating?


If using "questions" prompts analysis, what type of listserv discourse can be used to prompt "synthesis"? We've seen plenty of "analytic" discourse on this list. What does "synthetic" discourse look like?


If we are faced with someone's "candidate for truth" (hypothesis), how does one go about "testing" it for truth? I think we can all see (from past interactions on this list) that while asking more questions and prompting more analysis may help us understand the hypothesis (and may test it for internal organization and consistency), analysis alone does not do it.


Perhaps the only way to really "test" an assertion for truth is by planting the seed, letting it mature, and then personally tasting the fruit that it bears?

JC


Anybody can break humpty-dumpty. It takes a master to put humpty-dumpty back together again and make him better than before.

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NJ chimes in with:

jc, it seems self-evident that the great questions man wants answered are: Who am I, what am I, what am I doing here? These questions need to be answered through realization, not analysis, which always elicits further questions.


"Realization=the experiencing of reality." The unambiguous answer to these questions is experienced in Cosmic Consciousness, often called Samdhi. Then begins the process of integration of that realization into the daily life of the experiencer. This is the process that is called the Great Work. It has an inner preparation but is not accomplished nor achieved but is bestowed, seeming whimsically at first, but with growing awareness of a plan which is known at higher(?) levels, in which one willingly partakes. Truly--the Great Adventure and the Great Work. NJ.

The "preparation" that precedes the onset of Cosmic consciousness is not something one can just choose to do. From my conversation with the few I know who have had this experience, awareness that there even was a preparation came long after the fact. Samdhi is most certainly NOT a great stillness of mind. It is an intensity of expanded awareness where one unequivocally experiences him/herself as God. God is the wrong word to fit this experience. There are no words that will. There are no human experiences that one can compare CC to. Intellect keeps trying to press a transcendental experience into the results of a mechanical--do it yourself process. It comes to each when that step for Its instrument is needed by the Self. Old Yogic advice: In absorbing each moment of the present at its fullest, one prepares the future.
NJ.

NJ. further responds to my QUESTIONS:

J.C. IMO, your conclusion about excessive analysis and lack of intuitive over all grasp of the whole is sound. There must be the latter to fit all the parts discovered by good analysis into, otherwise confusion is the result.

If "Synthesis" is the other half of our mission (as humans), how is this reflected in our interactions with others? What and how are we creating?

I have never felt that "I" was creating anything or needed to. For many years I have felt as if I was being gently lead to discover what was already there. A most satisfying experience! If you consider the growth of an oak tree from its seed its "mission" rather than just the natural process of being, then I guess you could consider man having a mission too--other than just being. Frankly, I am just carried along, enjoying the view.

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If using "questions" prompts analysis, what type of listserv discourse can be used to prompt "synthesis"? We've seen plenty of "analytic" discourse on this list. What does "synthetic" discourse look like?  JC

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I can't see any need for us to "prompt" synthesis. The hunger for wholeness in understanding and being is the engine of Man's evolutionary motion. Your very questions indicate a perception and response to this. We need and seek an over all view and explanation of ourselves and the life process--something to fit all the parts exposed by analysis into.

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If we are faced with someone's "candidate for truth" (hypothesis), how does one go about "testing" it for truth? I think we can all see (from past interactions on this list) that while asking more questions and prompting more analysis may help us understand the hypothesis (and may test it for internal organization and consistency), analysis alone does not do it. Perhaps the only way to really "test" an assertion for truth is by planting the seed, letting it mature, and then personally tasting the fruit that it bears?

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Well, jc, you can't test the truths you are referring to in a test tube or under a microscope, as one might hope to do, but Man does have the capacity for intuitional recognition and grasp of truth/reality when he encounters it--it just feels right. These are the words of PFC. Good questions, bro. 

NJ.
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I respond to NJ and others on this subject:

NJ. writes:
These questions need to be answered through realization, not analysis, which always elicits further questions.

T. adds:
There is something in the process of analysis that gives the appearance of movement forward though.

S.E. reports:
I am very fond of, for its [analysis's] ability to stir me up and to break me down into that state known as Putrefaction [...]. It is the "decomposition or disintegration of a body (i.e. Personality) into its elementary parts." [...] The process is alchemical. Yes, I FEEL that analysis taken to the point of incineration is a method towards that point where intuitive voice becomes the Silence of our Union. AS the fires disintegrate the matter of our personality, there is a point where the only voice/element remaining is SPIRIT. 

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S.E., from the magic square for Key 13, we have the sum of 39, which again sums to 12. The One (K9) acts through Love/Creativity (K3) to bring us to the realization that all comes from and is wholly dependent upon the ONE (K12).

What better way to bring one to the ONE than by dissolution?

If dissolution is the secret of the Great Work, then Analysis is the first step - asking questions.
jc
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NJ. Further provides:
IMO, your conclusion about excessive analysis and lack of intuitive over all grasp of the whole is sound. There must be the latter to fit all the parts discovered by good analysis into, otherwise confusion is the result.
[...] I see no need for us to "prompt synthesis." A hunger for wholeness naturally occurs with the availability and examination of many "parts." That is a constant seeking in Man. This is exactly what you are doing with your questions. Do you need extra stimulation? This seeking for wholeness in understanding and being is evolutionary motion in man. Your very questions indicates a perception and response to it. [...] Well, NJ., you can't test this kind of truth in a test tube or under a microscope, but there is within man a capacity for intuitive recognition of reality/truth when he encounters it. It just feels right! These are Paul Case's words. Trust your own intuition--it gets sharper that way. S.E.'s analytical questions have stimulated greater understanding
of wholeness--always happens. 

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I have a good friend of mine (and fellow spiritual aspirant) who is so hungry for enlightenment that he is like a human blow-torch. He questions everything so much that he incinerates it on a verbal, intellectual, and emotional level. Yet the result seems to be a type of paralysis for him. A type of stagnation perhaps (to quote S.E.).

Without an intuitive grasp of wholeness, one could spend much time wallowing in the ashes, but I guess there is a purpose to that as well. It seems we taste our own ashes as long as we try o hold on to FORM, instead of holding on to the essence and root of it all (K12).

The hunger and the seeking are a type of dissolution. We pursue FORM (objects of desire) to break it down (through experience, consumption, and analysis) and assimilate it's essence to ourselves, and then we create new FORMs from that essence based on our highest understanding of what IS.

Like a self-feeding furnace, we grind and digest our food - thoughts, ideas, physical form - and from these things produce light, heat, additional Forms, and ash. Perhaps eventually when we learn true discrimination (K6) the ash
we produce will be the elixir of life. (btw: the word "elixir" means "ash").

In the meantime, sifting through the ashes (or examining our psychological "stool") can give us some clues.

jc
(Feeding the Furnace and picking at shit)

P.S.
I offer this email to the list as an example of "synthetic discourse". Which in this case consists of discerning (K6) (or attempting to see) the Universal in the various pieces (NJ's, Tom's, and SE's comments, in this case) and (congealing, forging, distilling, precipitating them) into a larger unified whole - NOT as a hodge-podge conglomeration (like the devil in K15) , but as a Synthesis (K17) - to the best of my ability.

I follow up with:

Another interesting link between ash and elixir is the fact that shit makes great fertilizer.

So the question in life is not "what am I going to do about my shit", but "what am I going to do WITH my shit."

Of course if I want to reduce the amount of, or increase the quality of the shit I do produce, then I can feed my furnace better fuel, improve the combustion/elimination process of my furnace, or both.

Now I know what colonic technicians and analytical psychologists have in common - they both help with elimination. The function of "Elimination" is related to K13. What kills us is our inability to "eliminate" our waste products - our inability to let-go of our shit.

It also helps to have an anal-expulsive personality - or as Ben Franklin once said: "Fart Proudly" :-)

JC
(Psychological Scatologist)