Desire and Death

 

Desire and Death


jc

 You wrote,

 "The Savior saves us by going to work on its vehicle (our personalities). The three methods that the Savior (Christ) uses to go to work on its vehicle are Death, the Devil, and Trial/Verification/Temperance. "

 If you believe that the Savior uses Death to go to work on our personalities, to perfect us through many cycles of birth and death, perhaps you might find the following interesting.

 Here is a parable told by Jesus, your "great example". It seems to suggest that you only get one life.

 "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

 "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in  torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

 "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

 "He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

 "Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to
them'.

 'No father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

 "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' " Luke 19-31

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 Now you will probably have some complex, metaphysical explanation for what you think Jesus really meant, but if it's possible that he meant it literally, couldn't this mean:

 1) You only get one life, not many.

 2) People who have died cannot contact the living because of the "great
 chasm" that has been fixed between them.

 3) Those who will not listen to Moses and the Prophets (God's Word)
probably won't listen to Jesus either, the only one who has ever returned from the  dead.

 4) What was the consistent message of the Prophets and later Jesus? We  should repent and return to God from our self-imposed separation, and from worshipping other gods of our own making.

 "The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since
they  have rejected THE WORD OF THE LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?"
 Jeremiah 8:9

 Your thoughts?

 S.

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 Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 10:56 AM

 S.,

 you wrote:


 If you believe that the Savior uses Death to go to work on our
personalities, to perfect us through many cycles of birth and death [...]

 Yes, but it is also much, much more than that. This principle is also the way that Christ goes to work on our desire nature. For all desire is really a desire for more livingness, more aliveness, and these desires bring about  changes and transformations that are Death to the previous conditions. In other words, schooling is death to ignorance, marriage is death to  bachelorhood, being employed is death to unemployment, growth is death to  stagnation, etc.., etc... Change is a given, just like death and taxes :-).


 When we outgrow a given form, then that form dissolves in order to release the energy for us to use in creating a new form to replace it. Like trading in an old car for a new one, or eating food (death to the plant) in order to  assimilate its energy and nutrients to build and maintain your body. 

 Death teaches us not to be attached to material things or to the past. But instead to rely on that which is eternal - God. God is the ever changeless mover and doer within which the continuously changing tapestry of space and time revolves.

 So even if you choose not to believe in reincarnation, this principle of Death as a method of growth still holds true within the context of a single  lifetime. For death, as the dissolution of old outworn forms, is the  ever present and continuous method whereby we grow and learn and receive ever more livingness. So let's face it, as much as we may fear death, death is a good and beneficent thing - it is a blessing! On the other hand, being  forever stuck in one groove or rut, and not being able to change - now that would be HELL! For in order to grow, the old outworn ways of thinking, of being, and of living must be let go of and allowed to die.  In the parable you mention, the rich man was receiving an unpleasant afterlife  experience as a result of his missing the mark in his incarnate life. Yet nowhere do I see that he was condemned to everlasting fire and damnation for all of eternity for his goof ups. His soul was being tempered in his  discarnate life, but his soul was NOT being terminated. So even in the  afterlife "I will look upon every circumstance of my life as a particular  dealing of God with my soul." 
 jc