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Asking Questions
Someone asks a question about the Chapter ritual, which is a type of group Qabalistic meditation. To which one who knows, replies: _____________________ All you have to do is express yourself and observe your motivation. Just like everyday. You'll get there (realizing who and what you are) and long after you have you will begin to realize it and that you didn't do a damn thing. I know that's very hard to understand, but that's it! Joseph _____________________ So are you saying that there is in fact no Chapter ritual? That Chapter members come together and do nothing but talk? If you don't want to answer the question that I asked then just be honest and don't answer it; don't pretend to miss my point. ;) John B. _____________________ There is a Chapter ritual. Participants do not talk. They may say it was a nice ritual like remarking about the weather. The ritual just reinforces the reality of the One behind the appearance of the many but nothing to talk about. Growth happens. Joseph Terminado _____________________ John, We hear the voice of the Hierophant only when we kneel. When we stand tall and expect our questions be answered concretely, directly and in a form of our choosing, then it is other voices we follow, and we learn from the consequences of that. The way the question is asked is usually indicative of whether or not the questioner has their ears tweaked to hear. Preparation is in knowing how to ask. Isis chooses to whom she unveils herself. RL _____________________ Spare me. I asked a couple of idle fact-based questions, I was not fishing for spiritual guidance. If I ask you for directions to the grocery store, it is silly, rude, and sarcastic to tell me to ask the inner teacher. John B. _____________________ You are a true brother, RL. Wish I had said the above. I said something like that a few days ago and no one picked up on it. "It's not WHAT you do but HOW you do it that's revealing." This has been a revealing thread. I like chain better than thread. Stronger sounding. Joseph _____________________ > "It's not WHAT you do but HOW you do it that's revealing." Definitely agreed. Does that mean as a rule that it is disturbing and offensive to talk about the WHAT part? Not in my book. John B. _____________________ No, it's as RL suggested--it's HOW a question is asked. Asked in one way, it inclinith one to answer fully. Asked another way and the answer is brief if at all, which is a kind of answer. JN _____________________ 12 Jul 2001 Reading authentic rituals, before experiencing them, [is] unnecessary and counter productive--so says Paul Case and Ann Davies. They say erroneous conclusions are always made about these rituals when read prior to initiation which is a sort of block to work through whenever the rituals are actually experienced. In the face of what appears to be a universal desire to peer into these matters, I realize I am talking to a blank wall. But I feel like saying it again. A numerical limitation of members in the inner orders is certainly traditional and also universally not accepted nor understood by the laity. Joseph _____________________ [...] I am not saying that peering into secret places is a bad thing. It is only natural. But forming a pre-conception of what ritual work is about and does can be counter productive to what it naturally does. Usually a sense of superiority goes along with fore knowledge--"I know all about this stuff." I have observed this in some of the more intellectual BOTA initiates. If reading other people's opinion of esoteric work made one an Adept , we would be up to our navels in Adepts. In line with your statements, when on the path to Adeptship, everything the person does, and I mean everything, is necessary in that journey. You may think that you, at some point, have abandoned the effort but IT has not abandoned you! Tain't our choice nor our doing. Joseph _____________________ I think your [position is ] a bit too strong and condescending. There was a time when some thought that reading MORALS AND DOGMA by Albert Pike was counterproductive. Yet, it was published by the Supreme Council with the full knowledge that it would fall into the hands of the "profane." I challenge you to read any of the aforesaid rituals of the Societas Rosicruciana (which are NOT the ones they are using now)...and tell me that you find anything in them that should remain private. Evidently their OWN MEMBERS didn't think so. J.S. _____________________ I quoted the opinions of Paul Case and Ann Davies. I believe they are right. I also respect your right to your opinion and you may be right. Neither your nor my "beliefs" are certainty. Every order does what it wants to, in making public their documents, their Chiefs possibly seeing their choice as the wisest course and some seeing it as the most popular course. All such choices come in pairs, the engine of evolution. I meant no possible rebuke, offense or denigration of you or your opinions so i will not apologize for what I did not do. I was totally surprised by this post from you. I want this online. Joseph _____________________ Joseph Nolen writes: _____________________ I am the revealer, I tumble from my Tower, RL
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